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Postby gregorius » Tue Dec 01, 2009 9:02 pm


Watching the news today caught sight of rudd explaining to the mainly austro/american media about how he would be allowing more australian personnel to go into afghanistan after discussions with President Obama.

By his side stood Hilary Clinton, who as he was explaining his situation, looked toward him in profile and quietly mimed his words, as though they were really coming from her mouth and not his, not unlike the way a ventriloquist does with a dummy on his knee.

Of all the australian political leaders we'ved had over the decades at least from the 1940's and on, only 2 have ever really looked truly visionary or statesman-like and not come across as just careerist little whipping boys.

Curtin -Whitlam -Keating.

I guarantee you one thing. America's politicians are all quietly kackking themselves inside the white house tonight. rudds an embarrassing careerist. embarrassingly so, even as bad and worse than howard was.

None of the others are much better to be honest. From either the left or the right. its times like this I absolutely hate being an australian. Hate it.


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Postby SKaVeN » Wed Dec 02, 2009 2:58 am


gregorius wrote:
Of all the australian political leaders we'ved had over the decades at least from the 1940's and on, only 2 have ever really looked truly visionary or statesman-like and not come across as just careerist little whipping boys.

Curtin -Whitlam -Keating.

I think you need to work on your maths a bit there, Greg. :P


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Postby crashdown » Wed Dec 02, 2009 4:20 pm


gregorius wrote:
By his side stood Hilary Clinton, who as he was explaining his situation, looked toward him in profile and quietly mimed his words, as though they were really coming from her mouth and not his, not unlike the way a ventriloquist does with a dummy on his knee.


If Clinton was operating Rudd the big question is who had their hand up Clinton's backside :lol:


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Postby modecko » Wed Dec 02, 2009 5:17 pm


Well we all know whose hand was up Howard's backside and whose backside Howard was in.


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Postby gregorius » Wed Dec 02, 2009 6:26 pm


SKaVeN wrote:
gregorius wrote:
Of all the australian political leaders we'ved had over the decades at least from the 1940's and on, only 2 have ever really looked truly visionary or statesman-like and not come across as just careerist little whipping boys.

Curtin -Whitlam -Keating.

I think you need to work on your maths a bit there, Greg. :P


true, but really meant apart from curtin only other ones we've had were keating/whitlam.

Interesting to see Abott as leader of opp. Admittedly he's bout the only poly with th guts to say what he really feels. Probably because he's so hated all options orf him being so careerist are out th door an he doesnt giv shit. Kinda optimistic but only if he kills [doesnt cater to] all th religious nuts about his political theology. :???:


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Postby crashdown » Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:10 pm


modecko wrote:
Well we all know whose hand was up Howard's backside and whose backside Howard was in.



That the sort of lefty non answer I'd expect from you


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Postby HumphreyBBear » Thu Dec 03, 2009 12:24 am


I am not so concerned that the ETS did not pass before Copenhagen.
I am more concerned as to WHY it did not pass.

I understand when the Greens say the ETS does not go far enough.
I can see the point of Xenephon, and the moderate Liberals that say it is sloppy, and needs more work.

But, I believe that the hard right, fundamentalist christians, and the lunatic fringe, have now seized control of the Liberal party, and amongst their numbers are people like Nick Minchin (and I include "Backflip Barnaby" among them - even though he's a National), who will not believe in Climate Change under any circumstances!

Minchin adamantly believes Climate Change is nothing but a "left wing conspiracy". He does not care what the majority of scientists are saying. They will do anything to stop any action on Climate Change. At best I believe that we can only expect them to pay lip service to action on Climate Change. They will play political games until they are forced to face an election.

Abbott has to work out a clear position for the Liberal Party before the next election, which looks likely to happen in March.
Liberal voters will be facing a rough time until then, because their party has been hijacked by extremists, and religious nutcases.

Only the traditional Liberal voters can fix their Party, and that'll be a tough job. Maybe Abbott and Bishop should seek guidance from the Mad Monk's mate, the Archbishop.


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Postby crashdown » Thu Dec 03, 2009 12:08 pm


The Greens won't be happy until we're all living in tents and wearing grass skirts! The ETS is just bullshit, all it does is take more money away from the tax payer (that Labors greatest ability). Take this scenario; I'm a manufacturer, it costs me more to manufacture goods because I pay for the carbon produced in the process, I then charge the retailer more because I don't want to be out of pocket. The retailer is already paying more like me to keep the lights on and also hates being stung so he jacks up his selling price to cover both the increase in acquiring goods and his business costs. Consumer walks into store and say "fuck me drunk isn't everything double the price it used to be!" Meanwhile "developing countries" like the one burning coal as fast as Australia can ship it to them are except from the whole "climate change" debarcle, and will be having a good old laugh. And that ladies and gents is the Labor governments grand plan!


And for anyone who thinks the federal opposition need to pull it together NSW is likely to see it's THIRD premier since 2007, The initial dumb arse took over pre-election when it was realised their was no chance in hell of then premier surviving an election. Frank Sartor the most corrupt SOB at any level of government is tipped as a replacement :nervous:
http://www.news.com.au/national/premier ... 5806456741

And one of the best ruddisms "Asked if Mr Rees had his full support or whether he also needed to get his act together, Mr Rudd replied "yes", however, it was unclear to which part of the question he was responding."


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Postby HumphreyBBear » Thu Dec 03, 2009 2:19 pm


crashdown wrote:
The ETS is just bullshit


Maybe. What I am expecting from our leaders is an effective solution to coping with human contribution to climate change. Whatever form that solution is (ETS, Carbon Tax, etc), I am not really that concerned about; as long as they get it right. I would suggest to you that the underlying problem (Climate Change), is not even in the vocabulary of the faction currently in control of the Liberal Party.
They need to understand that If you don't acknowledge there is a problem, your opinion will be ignored when it comes to discussing a solution. At least Turnbull understood that.

crashdown wrote:
Meanwhile "developing countries" like the one burning coal as fast as Australia can ship it to them are except from the whole "climate change" debarcle
, and will be having a good old laugh. And that ladies and gents is the Labor governments grand plan!


The whole idea is that products that are inherently "carbon heavy" will cost more. I think that's a good thing. The "developing countries" won't be laughing once you add the "Landed" cost of their carbon heavy products to the shelf price in the U.S., Europe, or Australia. If they wish to retain a cost competitive advantage they will have to adopt "greener production methods".
As for that being Labor's "grand plan"; I am not sure whether you are mocking globalisation (as a "socialist conspiracy"), or referring to the ETS.

crashdown wrote:
And one of the best ruddisms "Asked if Mr Rees had his full support or whether he also needed to get his act together, Mr Rudd replied "yes", however, it was unclear to which part of the question he was responding."


So, you are saying that he was "as clear as rudd". :P

Shock, horror, a politician replying ambiguously to a question.
Guess what: Politicians, on both sides of politics, lie, cheat, steal, engage in adultery, commit fraud, etc. They are only (somewhat) human like the rest of us.

I ask you: Did the reporter follow up the question? Why not? Is that a Labor conspiracy? I'd argue that it is more our poor media organisations that let us down, rather than expecting politicians to be perfect.
Find me a "perfect" politician, and I'll vote them "President of the World" tomorrow. :roll:


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Postby gregorius » Thu Dec 03, 2009 10:10 pm


hav to say am completely sceptical of the way this whole global warmimg thing is being man-handled by all the pro GWG lobbyists & activists.

How no one from the other side is allowed to put forth a view. That sort of thing is always a forewarning that something smells in Denmark. Its been co-opted by an evangelical/socialist bunch of elites basically. -Asseholes. self-serving ones, like rudd and turnbull actually.

Not that the earth isnt being F#!@ed over by mankind, its just there are better ways of dealing with it than stupid ets's.

former democrat leader andrew Murray's said it best -we need an out and out carbon tax. Open & honest that deals with the issue directly and isnt just another tax on the common public by stealth.

that way It effects everyone. if you use lots carbon you damn well pay for it.


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